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Comment by 39766

oh my god of lols, T3 all over again :p

Comment by toastmaster7727

I've heard rumors that the T7 will have the same model as a Pre-BC set like T3. Anyways, this set looks like a pretty good raiding set for Moonkins. I don't like how much stats they put into haste instead of maxing out the crit and hit rating. It's usually better to either stack crit or haste (personally I like to stack crit) but this set seems to wanna balance both out. Also, ALOT of the quest rewards I've seen in Northrend have haste rating. Haste rating isn't useful whatsoever for lvling and it's not like we are gonna enter 25 man raids with the greens we got from lvling.

Gawd I hate haste.....

Comment by 116147

I agree that until you have the spellpower, hit and at least some crit to support it, haste shouldn't be your top priority, but that doesn't mean you should actively avoid it, and getting hit capped and enough spellpower to make haste worthwhile should be a non-issue if you are in your t7 set.

Right now the choice between crit and haste is more of a personal decision and based on what your mana pool can support, however this is the outfit that most moonkins will be using to raid Ulduar, and having that haste built into the set will be tremendously useful on fights that are likely to be a lot more demanding of DPS than current content. Whether or not it is a good stat for leveling has no bearing on whether it should be on our t7 gear, and this isn't really the right place to discuss the usefulness of haste on green quest rewards.

Comment by iamhrh

For those who are interested, the Leg token can be had for 75 emblems of valor, and the shoulder token for 60.

Comment by 307459

Forgetting about Nature's Grace are we?

Boomkin crits = .5 seconds off next cast. Therefore to wrath this equals 33% haste and to starfire it is about 20% haste. With my current gear (3/5 t7.5, 2/5 t7) and raid buffed, when I crit with wrath I gain more mana then it took to cast the spell. Therefore crit rating > haste imo because crit IS haste, free mana, and at least 2x damage.

Yes haste affects the GCD of DoTs but I would much rather be a BOOMkin instead of an OOMkin and my guild prefers that as well.

I also didn't address the haste calculation of a crit without Starlight Wrath but if you don't have that as a boomkin re-roll hunter and volley spam.

Comment by 23311

There shouldn't really be any argument over whether or not Haste is valuable for Balance Druids. Nature's Grace is not a good enough replacement for Haste. It's a very strong talent, undoubtedly, but on average, Crit provides a smaller cast time reduction than Haste. And the fact that Nature's Grace doesn't reduce the GCD shouldn't be taken lightly; this means that Nature's Grace has no effect on any spell with a cast time on 1.5 seconds or less.

If mana is a problem (and it shouldn't be at modest gear levels), modify your spec to include 3/3 Intensity, 3/3 Moonglow, and 1/1 Omen of Clarity. You can also spec into Dreamstate if you're bottoming out fast enough, though I have a hard time seeing this being a realistic scenario for any Balance Druids with enough knowledge of how to gear.

Comment by 327769

I hate haste... seriously, has anyone even read the boomkin talents or spells at all?

1st - hastes offers no extra value to a boomkin other then faster cast times, faster casts means burning more mana and if ur oom theres no boom...

2nd - When people say "u cast more meaning u crit the same amount" i get really annoyed because even if u do crit the same amount of times your using 2-3 more spells to do it, and that 2% mana back you get from that crit does not equal 2-3 spells you wasted getting the crit...

3rd - I know its been brought up... Nature's Grace... if you are getting a crit every 2nd cast (which boomkins should be getting) you drastically decrease your overall average cast times, i know people complain about the fact you wouldnt get the full effect of natures grace is your spells are below 1.5sec cast time but if you are speccing more crit then haste that is not a problem, also for people that say a bit of both is good then theres your reason not to do that, your main rotation should be starfire anyway since its better DPM.

4th - Crit does sooo much more for boomkins then haste, theres eclipse procs, natures grace, 2% total mana back, and haste gives nill

5th - Theres a reason 1% haste is easier to get then 1% crit, its very obvious... its because ( even though its small ) int also gives crit, this balances it out, also you get a natural amount of crit anyway, you start off with 0 haste however, even at lvl 1 you have 5-10% crit chance, when you hit 80 you have about 7% ungeared, that 7% makes up for the fact its easyer to get 1% haste then 1% crit, if you geared full haste items in wow, u would have less % then if you geared crit in wow...

6th and lastly - When you crit you do around x2 of the dmg of a normal hit, if your critting every 2nd cast your doing 33% more dps then if your just casting with no crit and no haste bonus, if you have the haste to decrease your cast time by maybe 20% ( cause thats all your getting with the gear right now anyway ) you would only get around a 25% increase in dps, taking in the fact you get occasional crits.

As a boomkin in wow, with my crit gear i never lose mana, get high dps ( 2.4-3.4k with 10man/heroic epics and heroic blues ) and am able to help the group more...

My 2cents

Comment by 23311

I hate haste... seriously, has anyone even read the boomkin talents or spells at all?

Yep. Have you read anything on Elitist Jerks' forums?

You might not like it as a stat, but denying that it improves DPS is equivalent to claiming that 1 + 1 = 11. You're arguing with numbers here.

Comment by 32369

In a raid setting, haste can be more effective than crit assuming you utilize Eclipse properly.

Comment by 146819

Improved Moonkin Form: 3% Haste
The combined Haste from the 2 pieces in this set that have it: 3.44% Haste

Does 77 Haste really matter that much to you anti-Haste people, when there's a Talent all Balance Druids take that gives you almost as much?

Comment by 345940

It's 116 haste, not 77, that's the hit on the set...

In my opinion, this is very well itemised for moonkins. Yes, I believe that crit is better than haste for moonkins, but only up to a point, when you crunch the numbers (or play around with gear in heroics etc) I have personally found that things work best if you stack crit up to about 25-30% (including being in moonkin form), and then stack haste on top of this.

Stacking one or the other actually gimps your dps, you need to have a balance of both in order to do maximum dps.

I'm currently rolling with around 2k SP, about 0.8% under the hitcap, 25% crit, and about 390 haste rating (cant remember the exact figure for the change that brings), and I can kick out well over 4k dps on bosses in heroics, this is then increased in 10 and 25 mans.

Of course, it is down to each individual to decide how they want to go, but personally, I think that people that actively avoid haste are making a big mistake. All things in even measures, as they say.

Comment by 239052

Since this has degenerated to a crit vs. haste discussion instead of a discussion of the set being referenced, I'll throw in my two cents:

This set is made for people who are raiding. What it does for you outside of a raid is not important because that is not what it is for. I'm not saying you can't do solo or 5-person content once you're a raider; I'm just saying that this set's stats are geared toward raiding, and that its performance in heroics is not what you should be paying attention to.

In a raid, you have tons of people buffing your crit %. Totem of wrath, focused magic, kings (10% more int), elemental oath, etc. etc. In fairness, you also have some buffs to haste (bloodlust/heroism). However, in general, I find that there's a lot more crit buffs in raids than there are haste buffs.

As a result, when I'm in a 25 person raid, I think it's quite likely that I will have more crit than I need to proc eclipse on cooldown and to really slam the boss pretty effectively during the eclipse. At that point, stacking haste is more valuable simply because crit is already "high enough." If "high enough" doesn't sound like a particularly rigorously-defined term to you, and you like seeing huge number crunchfests, I assure you they're out there. The point is that although it's great to have 50% crit in raids, you don't need 50% crit on your gear to achieve this....you get it from raid buffs. And once you're at that high a crit rate, haste becomes a more valuable stat in terms of how much it does for your DPS.

Comment by FancyPants

Out of curiosity, can the T7.5 peices be combined with T7 for set bonuses?

My intuition tells me no, but it would be nice to know for sure.

Comment by Veyska

For matching transmogrification sets...

Wrist - Esteemed Bindings or Swarm Bindings
Waist - Belt of Potent Chanting or Shackled Cinch
Boots - Boots of Septic Wounds or Boots of the Escaped Captive or Rainey's Chewed Boots

Comment by 1062539

Any one know's a nice transmog weapon to this set?

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Valorous Dreamwalker Garb

Valorous Dreamwalker Garb is the Tier 7 Raid Set. It contains 5 pieces. Has set bonuses at 2 and 4 pieces.

	Valorous Dreamwalker Cover (1)
	Valorous Dreamwalker Gloves (1)
	Valorous Dreamwalker Mantle (1)
	Valorous Dreamwalker Trousers (1)
	Valorous Dreamwalker Vestments (1)

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