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Adamsm
Virtually yes; do a search for Virtual Servers to find out more.
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Trolladinbro
Unfortunately yes
Post by
UncaToddly
Unfortunately yes
Why "unfortunately"? For many it will be a boon. Players who are constantly complaining that their server is dead and there are never any people on will suddenly have lots of people to play with and do the content. You are on a realm with like Garithos where there are less than 9k on each side and they put you in a server group with 4 or 5 other servers and it bumps it up to 50-60k on each side and suddenly their are enough people to interact with for PvP, not to mention putting groups together.
One of the things I am looking forward to seeing is how they deal with servers with major faction imbalances. It is easy to throw multiple realms together to reach a target population when the factions are not SUPER far apart. It is something different when you are on servers like Illidan or Area 52 where Alliance is 25k or less and Horde is well over 150k. I don't know if they can or plan to be able to do Virtual Servers Groups with only part one faction (I would think they wouldn't) or if perhaps they have a higher target density ability for Virtual Realm Groups.
Personally I think they should just do merges but coming from Everquest long ago when they did server merges I can see where a lot of people have an identity with a server.
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Trolladinbro
Unfortunately yes
Why "unfortunately"? For many it will be a boon. Players who are constantly complaining that their server is dead and there are never any people on will suddenly have lots of people to play with and do the content. You are on a realm with like Garithos where there are less than 9k on each side and they put you in a server group with 4 or 5 other servers and it bumps it up to 50-60k on each side and suddenly their are enough people to interact with for PvP, not to mention putting groups together.
One of the things I am looking forward to seeing is how they deal with servers with major faction imbalances. It is easy to throw multiple realms together to reach a target population when the factions are not SUPER far apart. It is something different when you are on servers like Illidan or Area 52 where Alliance is 25k or less and Horde is well over 150k. I don't know if they can or plan to be able to do Virtual Servers Groups with only part one faction (I would think they wouldn't) or if perhaps they have a higher target density ability for Virtual Realm Groups.
Personally I think they should just do merges but coming from Everquest long ago when they did server merges I can see where a lot of people have an identity with a server.
I agree with you that its a boon, but there are some people like me that play on low pop realms due to the fact that we like the tight knit community. But I suppose Ill get used to it and maybe enjoy it
Post by
robert37311
I have to agree with the unfortunately because when blizzard introduced cross realm it caused a lot of chaos and what do I mean by the chaos well I am on a medium populated server and it makes it hard because the cross realm toons from other realms came to my server I was on and started strip mining all the resources and I play mainly horde and a lot of alliance toons came and killed quest givers which it made it impossible to complete quest that usually only took about 5 to 10 minutes now it takes 45 minutes to an hour. So cross realm caused a lot of problems for us. So I am very skeptical about this virtual realms idea cause to me right now it sounds like another version of cross realm but in a different way. I have been playing this game for several years and really enjoyed the changes but this one might be as bad as the cross realm it is hard enough to get the resources to do skills and the AH that is going to start being blown out of proportion as far as prices to where a player has to farm for almost a month just to get the gold to get what they need for their proportion so until I see for myself how this virtual realm is going to be I have to say it might not work but than again it might just have to wait and see how blizzard is going to go about this. Also another thing I have seen which makes me very skeptical is the toons that use cross realm has really bad attitudes and they blow away chat with all their foul language and everything I cant turn chat off or I might miss an opportunity on selling something or acquiring something so they need to work on trade chat as well because I have been cussed out by many snot nose 12 and 13 year old kids that think they are all that and a bag of chips .
Post by
Berndorf
I do think virtual realms would be far superior to crz and that crz should be gotten rid of but I also think Bliz should have notified players that they intended to introduce virtual realms prior to cutting realm transfer prices in half. I am pretty sure a lot of players may have waited to realm change had they known such a thing was in the works.
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UncaToddly
it makes it hard because the cross realm toons from other realms came to my server I was on and started strip mining all the resources
Some people still can't get the concept. Noone "came to your realm" anymore than you went to their realm to try and get their nodes.
And the biggest reason that Virtual Realms should be far superior to CRZ is it gets rid of one of the biggest complaints. When small realms were included in CRZ groups with larger ones, the design to make more people available for quests and such in dead areas DID increase to a degree but other than the PvP issues, the main complaint was that low density servers were being out-competed for nodes and unlike normally, none of those items were making it to a common AH. That changes with VR.
It may not be perfect but short of merging servers completely it is going to be a huge improvement for a lot of people.
I also think Bliz should have notified players that they intended to introduce virtual realms prior to cutting realm transfer prices in half. I am pretty sure a lot of players may have waited to realm change had they known such a thing was in the works.
The discounted realm transfer services are cyclical just like the other paid character services. You are right that some probably would have waited. Lots of the people like myself took advantage of the discounted realm transfers at one time or another for reasons that didn't include the "dead server" rationale.
When I moved my horde hunter it was from a realm with roughly the same density and makeup as the one I moved too simply to be able to have an 80+ on both sides of the server without starting over.
There are a lot of others who have moved for reasons that Virtual Realm Groups won't have any affect. When you are on a realm with over 200,000 people attached to it and you have to wait 45-60 minutes just to get on to play everyday waiting for VR to hit isn't going to make a difference as you likely aren't going to be part of a VR group anyways. :)
And I can pretty much guarantee you that there will be people paying full price for server transfers right up until 5.4 goes live even knowing that things may be different shortly.
Keep in mind that things like this aren't something that are just last minute decisions by Blizzard. We have known about VR for weeks now and I can pretty much assure you that there have still been thousands of people who have opted for realm transfers at full price.(##RESPBREAK##)2060##DELIM##Sas148##DELIM##
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Jkpman
And I can pretty much guarantee you that there will be people paying full price for server transfers right up until 5.4 goes live even knowing that things may be different shortly.
I know I will be.
The server I used to call home no longer feels like home, the community is terrible, many of the good people have moved to other servers and the ones left have devolved into jerks and trolls.
I started to transfer off my favorite toons a while ago, and will continue to do so, The thought of still being aligned to that server is enough for me to do that, I just hope it is not one of the servers my new realm is grouped with in Virtual Servers.
the main complaint was that low density servers were being out-competed for nodes and unlike normally,none of those items were making it to a common AH
I have a bone of contention with the word "Normally"
There was nothing normal about low population realms giving a couple of players easy picking and free roam over all the nodes. That was never how it was meant to be.
Being able to mine for hours in a zone taking all the nodes with no competition was an aberration and CRZ did an excellent job of fixing that problem.
Also, the AH comment slightly wrong, The competition was there sure enough, but the nodes were too, it just took longer.
What you found is that players who would spend an hour or so getting several stacks had to invest more time and it was no longer worth doing that apparently so they stopped. (I happen to know this applied to a server I was on because I am in a guild with a couple of the guys who used to monopolize the ore market on that realm)
So the reason ore was scarce was that people couldn't be bothered to farm it, leaving those who needed it to go out and farm themselves instead of power leveling.
Post by
rabican1
Unfortunately yes
I agree with you that its a boon, but there are some people like me that play on low pop realms due to the fact that we like the tight knit community. But I suppose Ill get used to it and maybe enjoy it
What server are you on that has this tight knit community? Because this the first time in 7 years I have ever heard anyone say that about a WoW server. What do you do with this tight knit community?
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Berndorf
The discounted realm transfer services are cyclical just like the other paid character services. You are right that some probably would have waited. Lots of the people like myself took advantage of the discounted realm transfers at one time or another for reasons that didn't include the "dead server" rationale.
When I moved my horde hunter it was from a realm with roughly the same density and makeup as the one I moved too simply to be able to have an 80+ on both sides of the server without starting over.
There are a lot of others who have moved for reasons that Virtual Realm Groups won't have any affect. When you are on a realm with over 200,000 people attached to it and you have to wait 45-60 minutes just to get on to play everyday waiting for VR to hit isn't going to make a difference as you likely aren't going to be part of a VR group anyways. :)
And I can pretty much guarantee you that there will be people paying full price for server transfers right up until 5.4 goes live even knowing that things may be different shortly.
Keep in mind that things like this aren't something that are just last minute decisions by Blizzard. We have known about VR for weeks now and I can pretty much assure you that there have still been thousands of people who have opted for realm transfers at full price.
I never said everyone who has realm transferred in recent months or who did so for half price did so just get away from dead servers. I happen to be on a server that has seen mass migrations in recent months though and I'm willing to bet a large % of realm transfers in recent monthes have been to get off such servers. I don't recall having seen anything about virtual realms prior to when Bliz announced half price realm transfers either.
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Jkpman
What server are you on that has this tight knit community? Because this the first time in 7 years I have ever heard anyone say that about a WoW server. What do you do with this tight knit community?
Yeah I was kind of wondering about that myself.
The low population servers I know of seem to be populated with the dregs left behind when mass migrations happen.
They are anything but tight knit.
Post by
UncaToddly
I don't recall having seen anything about virtual realms prior to when Bliz announced half price realm transfers either.
The thing is, the most recent price break was not the only one. There have been multiple periods of discounted server transfers.
Don't get me wrong, I understand what you are saying. How far in advance does Blizzard need to announce things that would potentially cost them money from lost transactions?
How many people paid to transfer off Stormrage, Area 52, Tichondrius, Darkspear, Illidan and Bleeding Hollow in recent weeks. When they put in their transfer requests in should Blizzard have told them that they had unannounced plans for free transfers?
Like I said, I understand your point, I just don't necessarily feel it was Blizzard's responsibility to say "hang on, you might change your mind with what we have planned".
Post by
Berndorf
I don't recall having seen anything about virtual realms prior to when Bliz announced half price realm transfers either.
The thing is, the most recent price break was not the only one. There have been multiple periods of discounted server transfers.
Don't get me wrong, I understand what you are saying. How far in advance does Blizzard need to announce things that would potentially cost them money from lost transactions?
How many people paid to transfer off Stormrage, Area 52, Tichondrius, Darkspear, Illidan and Bleeding Hollow in recent weeks. When they put in their transfer requests in should Blizzard have told them that they had unannounced plans for free transfers?
Like I said, I understand your point, I just don't necessarily feel it was Blizzard's responsibility to say "hang on, you might change your mind with what we have planned".
Its not something I am really upset over since I didn't pay for one its just something imo that Bliz could have let players know about beforehand who may have paid for 5-6 toons to transfer thinking it was their only wa to get on a more active realm. Its just a respectful way to deal with paying customers. I don't think its a coincidence that virtual realms were basically announced just after that last transfer deal either. Bliz has turned into a semi cut throat company in terms of how they deal with their customers. I've been buying their games since the late 90's also.
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jarycu
Its not something I am really upset over since I didn't pay for one its just something imo that Bliz could have let players know about beforehand who may have paid for 5-6 toons to transfer thinking it was their only wa to get on a more active realm. Its just a respectful way to deal with paying customers. I don't think its a coincidence that virtual realms were basically announced just after that last transfer deal either. Bliz has turned into a semi cut throat company in terms of how they deal with their customers. I've been buying their games since the late 90's also.
I hate to break it to you, but Blizzard is a company. The entire goal of a company is to make money. They have two responsibilities: To make money and to make a profit for their shareholders. Had they announced that they were going to do half-price server transfers, that would've cost them money.
To liken this to something we all experience in the real world, think of your favorite retail store. I'm going to use Best Buy for this example. The store receives next week's sales papers a few days in advance of the new sale, along with the sale tags. They know if an item will be on sale next week, but it's not in their best interest to let everyone know this as it would sacrifice the current week's sales when people waited for the item to go on sale.
The more discounts Blizzard gives, the more they let people know something will be cheaper in XX days, the less money they have to pay their programmers and (hopefully) develop more content that we'll all benefit from in the future.
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Berndorf
Its not something I am really upset over since I didn't pay for one its just something imo that Bliz could have let players know about beforehand who may have paid for 5-6 toons to transfer thinking it was their only wa to get on a more active realm. Its just a respectful way to deal with paying customers. I don't think its a coincidence that virtual realms were basically announced just after that last transfer deal either. Bliz has turned into a semi cut throat company in terms of how they deal with their customers. I've been buying their games since the late 90's also.
I hate to break it to you, but Blizzard is a company. The entire goal of a company is to make money. They have two responsibilities: To make money and to make a profit for their shareholders. Had they announced that they were going to do half-price server transfers, that would've cost them money.
To liken this to something we all experience in the real world, think of your favorite retail store. I'm going to use Best Buy for this example. The store receives next week's sales papers a few days in advance of the new sale, along with the sale tags. They know if an item will be on sale next week, but it's not in their best interest to let everyone know this as it would sacrifice the current week's sales when people waited for the item to go on sale.
The more discounts Blizzard gives, the more they let people know something will be cheaper in XX days, the less money they have to pay their programmers and (hopefully) develop more content that we'll all benefit from in the future.
I'm really getting tired of having to make the same point over in different ways to get people to understand but I guess I have no choice. You used the example of Bestbuy so I will now use it as an example also. Bestbuy used to be in great shape as a company but in recent years went entirely into the crapper and one of the major reasons why? their customer service and word of mouth about how they treat their customers. They have a horrendous reputation right now when it comes to returning items and how they treat their customers in general. Treating customers well always pays off in the long run for any company and Bliz would do well to remember that people who pay for server transfers are people who would like to keep paying subs which are wow's bread and butter.
Also, Bliz just hired a bunch of new people to work on the game somehow I kind of doubt they are in the habit of docking them pay due to not making enough money in the realm transfer dept in any given month. Happy customers means retaining subs which means stockholders are also happy. Just because a company is trying to make money doesn't mean respecting its customers is suddenly a bad thing. It's within Bliz's right to do business however they like but all I am saying here is that sometimes there are two choices of how to do things and companies make the wrong choice. Just as some companies are on top of the world one decade then bankrupt the next due to bad decisions. Happens every decade.
Post by
shan750
so CRZ is removed then?
Post by
UncaToddly
CRZ is not likely to be removed. CRZ was designed to populate specific zones whereas VRs are designed to populate "servers". Whether you play on a server with 100k people on each side or less than 10k per side, zones like Desolace aren't seeing much action. CRZ was supposed to fix that (it did to a degree) and that shouldn't change.
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Berndorf
. Also another thing I have seen which makes me very skeptical is the toons that use cross realm has really bad attitudes and they blow away chat with all their foul language and everything I cant turn chat off or I might miss an opportunity on selling something or acquiring something so they need to work on trade chat as well because I have been cussed out by many snot nose 12 and 13 year old kids that think they are all that and a bag of chips .
You need to do your part here - report them for language and abuse
as applicable
. If they're not using inappropriate language or being abusive, you need to use ignore.
I also report people for being abusive or being overly vulgar also. Getting a ban is the only way some people will learn to be a little more mature in game chats.
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