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Elemental Blast verses Unleash Fury
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spiralz253
I was playing around on a training dummy today and decided that I was gonna test my dps while using Unleashed Fury over Elemental blast. I did about a 6 minute fight test for both and found that they are pretty equal in dps and damage over the course of a 6 minute fight. I was then wondering why every guide that I see says to stay away from UF because its not even close to as good as EB or PE for a lvl 90 talent. I know you can't get a really accurate assumption on a training dummy but in this case, EB can only be used while stationary so in fights with movement it might even make UF more viable. Can anyone tell me why Elemental Shaman's steer away from this talent? Thank you for your time.
Post by
marklartank
because people have crunched the numbers and UF comes out behind. if you want to see more detail, look at the ele forum on EJ.
Post by
spiralz253
I've looked at pretty much all guides on an Elemental Shaman and they all say that its behind even though with testing it wasn't behind. Number crunching says that EB will do 71k on a normal hit and give you a random buff. I know that it isn't the damage of EB that is making it more viable because UF would do more damage then what EB could do. I guess its got something to do with the buff it gives you, but the buff is complete RNG. I think there will be more people looking into this if the buff to UF in 5.4 goes live.
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marklartank
Number crunching says that EB will do 71k on a normal hit and give you a random buff. I know that it isn't the damage of EB that is making it more viable because UF would do more damage then what EB could do. I guess its got something to do with the buff it gives you, but the buff is complete RNG.
who cares which buff it gives you? haste, crit, or mastery - they're all pretty good for elemental. more dps is more dps.
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Post by
spiralz253
marklartank
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who cares which buff it gives you? haste, crit, or mastery - they're all pretty good for elemental. more dps is more dps.
That is not a true statement. Crit is garbage compared to haste or mastery. I was talking about the benefit it does give us. It's all RNG. I'm just saying that it isn't that far behind EB especially if the fights that require movement giving that UF is a instant cast. Thank you for that link brrobid it did shed better light then just saying this website says this is better so it's better. I like evidence over just taking a websites word on stuff.
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marklartank
marklartank
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who cares which buff it gives you? haste, crit, or mastery - they're all pretty good for elemental. more dps is more dps.
That is not a true statement. Crit is garbage compared to haste or mastery. I was talking about the benefit it does give us. It's all RNG. I'm just saying that it isn't that far behind EB especially if the fights that require movement giving that UF is a instant cast. Thank you for that link brrobid it did shed better light then just saying this website says this is better so it's better. I like evidence over just taking a websites word on stuff.
you complain that i don't give enough details, then you say crit is "garbage" with nothing to back it up. how do you define garbage? do you look at crit and say, "oh, my LvB already has 100% crit, therefore crit is garbage?" because that's very short sighted.
just look at the graphs on the page that were linked above. on an add cleave fight, crit is actually better than haste and mastery. heavy movement goes haste > crit > mastery.
certainly, it's not as good as haste/mastery on stand still fights, but garbage? if we look at the average weight for crit over all fights with the EB talent (since that's what we were talking about), it's weighted at 2.8 vs. 3.25 for mastery. so crit is 14% less effective than mastery.
86% of goodstuff = garbage?
if fights require too much movement, then PE is the better talent, because your elemental is not affected by your movement. UF is never the highest dps talent.
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spiralz253
I said Crit is garbage compared to haste or mastery. I've did my testing and I've ran simcraft on my Shaman multiple times and Crit is always the lowest value stat. Even with a heavy movement fight Crit still is the lowest stat priority. That is pretty much agreed on by all elemental shamans so I didn't think I had to "back it up". I think it will be a higher priority in 5.4 then what we actually see now. UF is still not as far behind as what most websites say it is. This whole post was to just see why websites are saying to stay away from it because quote " Unleashed Fury is currently not performing as well as any of the other two talents and should never be used." I also believe once we start reaching closer to the mastery/haste cap UF will pull even closer due to being able to cast more lightning bolts, lava burst, and having elemental overload proc.
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marklartank
I said Crit is garbage compared to haste or mastery. I've did my testing and I've ran simcraft on my Shaman multiple times and Crit is always the lowest value stat.
crit is always the lowest value stat, i agree. that does not make it garbage in any way.
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