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I'm tired of my DPS sucking, please help (Frost)
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168688
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Post by
fhait
I'm only a lowly priest but a few notes about your gear.
WAY TO MUCH HIT. Forge/Gem some of that away. You appear to be about 3% over the hitcap of 15%.
YOU ARE A TAILOR. Replace your 180 cloak enchant with Lightweave.
Your bracers are missing an enchant. Go with +180 intellect. (Super Intellect)
Swap your Windsong weapon enchant for Jade Spirit if you can afford it.
Can't comment on your rotation but here are a few things to start off with.
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168688
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Post by
nickseng
Do you have any logs to share, there could be some mistakes in your rotation or buff uptimes we can't see from your profile.
Couple of things i can see from your profile:
- Unerring vision of Lei-Shen. Horrible, Horrible trinket. You're better off using the Darkmoon trinket or Light of the cosmos to this. BIS trinkets for frost are a combination of Breath of the Hydra, Wooshulay's and Cha-ye.
- You don't seem to have any of the legendary quest items (weapon gem slot, head gem). The head gem is a huge dps increase for frost.
- Once you have 1 or more RPPM trinkets, and/or the legendary head gem, you want to start gemming for haste. This means 320 haste in yellow, 160 haste+80 int in red, 160 haste + 160 hit in blue.
You can look at
me
for some tips
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168688
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Post by
elhayden
what do your glyphs look like? for PvE i use the icy veins and improved ele glyphs. those 2 will help with damage. i would also drop invocation. you're probably spending too much time evocating which will take away from your dps. i personally use incanter's ward simply for the passive buff. i'll pop it when i start to take damage to make sure i get a boost.
when you alter time, is it just that? if so, you should make a macro. i macro mine with icy veins and an on use trinket. i believe it would be something like:
/cast Icy Veins
/use (trinket)
/cast Alter Time
/cast Frostbolt
when you pop that, you'll go right into casting your frostbolt and can use your FoF and BF procs before it pulls you back. this macro gives you 6 more seconds of icy veins and your trinket. i typically use this early on to make sure it's back up for hero/tw. just gotta hope nobody uses either of those during your alter time... that sucks. your rotation is pretty basic. just spam frostbolt until you get procs or frozen orb is up, refreshing NT. i typically pull 90k+ dps as frost with a gear score around 500. just make sure you've got food buffs and use frost armor.
if you're still not reaching your desired dps, swap some things out. try different bombs, for example. NT has a much higher ceiling, but it's so random with BF procs. i've gone through 3 refreshes with no procs sometimes, and others i get 3 procs rapid fire.
Post by
nickseng
Thanks for the tip about the trinket. I actually just got
Breath of the Hydra
the other day, just haven't equipped it. As for the legendary gems..... I'm still stuck on
Glory to the Horde
. I absolutely hate PvP and don't understand why, to continue upgrading my PvE gear, I have to do it. I think Blizzard is PvP biased and this is their way of forcing us to do it. Now, for the gems, I WAS gemmed for haste (like you recommended), but my dps wasn't any better. I talked with a few people and they said that I need to be gemming for Int (since I can reforge for haste), which made sense. So I redid my gems for Int and my dps *did* go up a little, but not too much.
Meh. Silvershard mines was easy for me, but I lost so many times in Kotmogu ... until I got carried by a good team. Think of it this way ... PVP players had to do all the PVE stufff to get the legendary upgrades. :) Just stick with it is my advice. Sooner or later you'd get matched up with a good team.
As for haste gemming, you really need RPPM trinkets before they really make a difference. Until you get them, gemming int is slightly better. You can download and run SimC to get a better feel for when you need to switch from Int to Haste.
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168688
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Post by
nickseng
- Unerring vision of Lei-Shen. Horrible, Horrible trinket. You're better off using the Darkmoon trinket or Light of the cosmos to this. BIS trinkets for frost are a combination of Breath of the Hydra, Wooshulay's and Cha-ye.
Can you elaborate on that? Like why is that trinket terrible?
It's a 4-second proc, and way too reactive and short for mages to make use out of. For Frost, most of our spells crit anyway, and fire's low haste and long casting time usually means that you can probably get 1 fireball crit out of it. I haven't played arcane this expansion, but my guess is, you're not gonna get much use out of it.
It's more use for dot-classes, like locks, spriests, boomies that can make use of this by snapshotting their dots.
And finally, the other 3 ToT trinkets provide so much better bonuses compared to this. They provide haste, or int buffs for 10-20 seconds which would affect more of your spells than 1-2 guaranteed crit.
Post by
nickseng
Now, I am going to show a bit of my noob site with this post...... is there somewhere that shows the best RPPM trinkets for the current release? Or would I just check wowpopular for that?
Not that I know of. It's generally agreed that the BIS trinks are
- BOTH+Cha-ye for fire
- BOTH+ Woosh for Frost.
If you're going BOTH for frost though, not that you need to use either LB or NT, as Frost Bomb won't proc it. If you're keen on using Frost Bomb, you can substitute BOTH for Cha Ye without too much dps lost.
Post by
issebub
In a nutshell that's it, I will modify it if needed and am not always deadly accurate with using stuff the moment it's available, but I can't see how that would affect me by almost 40k.
I think this is the problem.
I got iLvl 489 and average about the same dps as you (frost mage).
I've seen alot of players who doesn't use their skills the moment they are available and lose alot of dps. I'm not just talking about cooldowns, but about spammables too, like a frostmage waiting 0.5 seconds between every frostbolt. That adds up to alot of lost dps.
Your gear is fine and the rotation sounds fine too, so my only explanation would be that you have to much downtime.
Post by
TheReal
Multi-DoT. It procs Brain Freeze more. Try it with a good DoT tracker and keep your NT rolling on 3 targets if you can.
Use an add-on like WeakAuras to show you when you have FoF and BF procs. I like to use a gunshot sound for FoF procs just to help me out a little more.
Pop IV/Alter Time when you have a crap-ton of procs rolling and in combination with BL/Hero. For me as an engineer, I wait to pop my gloves enchant until my trinkets and int procs...proc. The added 6 seconds on those buffs, combined with the 2 FoF and BF proc re-adding to the mix after the Alter Time expires, is a massive burst of damage.
Temporal Shield instead of Ice Barrier. TS is off the GCD and the amount of health it will restore is only limited by your max HP and timing. That GCD is better used for doing damage than survivability. I also run with Ice Floes in the first tier because I find myself moving a LOT in ToT.
Post by
nickseng
Multi-DoT. It procs Brain Freeze more.
Sigh.
Your most
recently
applied Nether Tempest, Living Bomb, or Frost Bomb spell has a chance when it deals damage to grant you the Brain Freeze effect.
Post by
TheReal
Multi-DoT. It procs Brain Freeze more.
Sigh.
Your most
recently
applied Nether Tempest, Living Bomb, or Frost Bomb spell has a chance when it deals damage to grant you the Brain Freeze effect.
D'oh!
Post by
168688
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Post by
nickseng
Living Bomb does do better single target damage ...
Post by
aldayc
So I'm going to ask a dumb question, but its not listed in your rotation and it is absolutely critical that it is there. Are you refreshing your invocation spell when it times out? If not your losing 15% spell damage.
Post by
ProphetManX
I looked you up, and read about all the work you were doing trying to gear up and reforge your stuff, I was just wondering if you (and/or anyone else here) has used AskMrRobot.com. It will look your character up and then optimize your gear/gems/enchants for your best setup, and then there is also a link to another site to help you with your rotations.
I personally play fire and thought I was doing well, but after reworking my gear a little and changing a talent, I'm doing a LOT more dps. I imagine that they can help you with frost as well.
Edit:
I just pulled your character up on mrRobot and you're pretty much set, except I noticed that you're using the wrong Legendary Meta gem, you're using the healer's gem to give you no mana for 4 seconds, and not the 30% haste buff. I will greatly recommend that you get the correct gem, that 30% buff is HUGE.
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