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If I make a Blood tank, can I dual wield?
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Post by
KillaGuerrilla
It's possible, but 2h tanking is definitely better. As you progress with gear, try to get a 2h!
Post by
seitori
It's not optimal, but yes, you can do it. However, it really is easier to keep one weapon updated when leveling rather than two.
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Post by
DraconisAerius
IIf I make a Blood tank, can I dual wield?
No.
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Post by
Trishi
People like this give the class a bad name.
Why? He pretty clearly put forth his case. Did you even read his post?
He will be leveling with 2 heirloom 1-handers as Frost or Unholy. But he also wants to do dungeons as a Blood Tank while leveling.
The question he then asks, is: Can he use the 2 1-handers, or does he need a 2-hander.
To which people reply: You need a 2-hander.
Is he a bad player for asking a question? Does he give the class a bad name for asking?
It's people like you who make these forums so depressing.
EDIT: Worse, I just realized no one really explained anything. Good job guys.
You get very little benefit from your offhand. Unlike Frost, which is the only spec that really
works
with dual wield, Blood doesn't get anything but a bit of off-hand weapon damage. Which isn't really all that much. This means that your main damaging spells, Heart Strike, Death Strike, Rune Strike, ect. are effectively halved in power. There's no good reason to do so, so you really should always stick to a 2-hander.
Even with heirlooms, I seriously doubt there'll be so far between upgrades, that your 1-hand weapons will somehow grow stronger in pure weapon damage, than a 2-hander would.
Post by
Adamsm
Even with heirlooms, I seriously doubt there'll be so far between upgrades, that your 1-hand weapons will somehow grow stronger in pure weapon damage, than a 2-hander would.
Especially with the talents that are around for Blood in regards to the two hander.
Post by
DraconisAerius
People like this give the class a bad name.
No, it's the people that don't bother to ask and just do it and damn the concequences that do. People that ask questions not so much.
Post by
PhantomScourge
For soloing content as Frost or Unholy, you definitely want an Arcanite Reaper.
For tanking in dungeons/raids as Blood, your DPS doesn't really matter. What matters is your stamina, armor, and block/dodge/parry. I can see a legitimate case being made for dual Skullforge Reavers.
Post by
Zakkhar
For soloing content as Frost or Unholy, you definitely want an Arcanite Reaper.
Ever head about dual wield frost? Plus he kinda wrote in first post he is that and has weapons for that.
For tanking in dungeons/raids as Blood, your DPS doesn't really matter. What matters is your stamina, armor, and block/dodge/parry. I can see a legitimate case being made for dual Skullforge Reavers.
Many people, including you, think that tanking is simply taking damage, while in fact it isnt.
It consists of two equally important (and totally different) sections: Keeping threat and surviving/reducing the incoming damage. There is absolutly no gain from one if you lack the other and vice versa.
No amount of stamina, armor and other damage reduction stuff will make you great tank if the mobs wont attack you (chosing dps or healer instead).
No amount of threat per second (proportional to damage per second) will make you great tank if you are too squishy.
Dual wielding as blood can greatly reduce your threat departament (should be about half). If you encounter extremly trigger finger dps it may become a disaster.
Dps overagros, you dont take damage, you get no vengeance, you generate no threat, dps takes damage, healer heals dps, dps dies, mobs attack healer, healer dies, you die etc etc.
PS: Death knights dont block. They absorb.
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Post by
trieu
No, dual wield blood dk tank is not even a viable option. You tank with a 2hander because it provides more more stamina(but you dont stack stamina anymore you may say, does not matter its still useful).
Ideally the secondary stat will be mastery on it. Also all the tank runeforging's
Rune of the Stoneskin Gargoyle
and
require a 2h.
Post by
Zakkhar
No, dual wield blood dk tank is not even a viable option. You tank with a 2hander because it provides more more stamina(but you dont stack stamina anymore you may say, does not matter its still useful).
Ideally the secondary stat will be mastery on it. Also all the tank runeforging's
Rune of the Stoneskin Gargoyle
and
require a 2h.
You sir, are clueless.
The secondary stat for heirlooms is given, cant really change it. It cant be mastery because its learned at lvl 80.
Also stamina is not an issue (actually stamina is only thing you can and should stack before lvl 70 as a tank).
Threat (and damage) is. 1hander hits for less than 2hander and majorty of death knight abilities derive from weapons damage (heart strike, death strike, rune strike. plague strike).
But i can see many other clueless dks around who spam random buttons while doing 10% of the damage they should and there are no wipes so everything will work.
Post by
trieu
No, dual wield blood dk tank is not even a viable option. You tank with a 2hander because it provides more more stamina(but you dont stack stamina anymore you may say, does not matter its still useful).
Ideally the secondary stat will be mastery on it. Also all the tank runeforging's
Rune of the Stoneskin Gargoyle
and
require a 2h.
You sir, are clueless.
The secondary stat for heirlooms is given, cant really change it. It cant be mastery because its learned at lvl 80.
Also stamina is not an issue (actually stamina is only thing you can and should stack before lvl 70 as a tank).
Threat (and damage) is. 1hander hits for less than 2hander and majorty of death knight abilities derive from weapons damage (heart strike, death strike, rune strike. plague strike).
But i can see many other clueless dks around who spam random buttons while doing 10% of the damage they should and there are no wipes so everything will work.
What lol, is he going to stay lvl 78 forever? No, ok then lol
Tanking and questing as a Blood Dk is trivial. You could effectively tank as Blood dk lvling from 58-80 without ever using runeforgings. I was talking about late game which is more important than just leveling.
Post by
Zakkhar
This isnt about late game. This is about leveling. Read the first post maybe?
As soon as he hits lvl 90 the he should easily find a replacement for heirlooms both 1handers and 2hander so there shouldnt be any problems.
Also the clueless Dks I encounter usually in "heroic" lvl 90 dungeons and LFR. Would you call it late game?
Post by
trieu
I said above that tanking as blood dk through lvls 58-80 is trivial. There isnt anything that could possibly change during those lvls.
What would you call late game? Im pretty sure there arent heroic tank raiders queuing 5 mans all of the time. Most of these clueless tanks are just ppl queueing as tank to by pass the dps queue time to get gear. They dont know to death strike after taking damage or to turn mobs away from the group, they dont know how to pop a cool down besides bone shield every now and then.
The least we can do is say what is appropriate for when he starts tanking in later lvls(which are probably soon) where there is more to tanking then just running through LK dungeons and holding aggro.
I honestly doubt he is still lvl 78 as of this post or is staying lvl 78. I dont know why you brought up the 1handed rune forgings because they are weaker than of the ones I said above you even agreed with 2 handers being best. I dont understand the issue of why you need to give him information no one uses anymore and tell me Im clueless. There is not a single Blood DK tank today uses them. I even said you can effectively tank without using the runes from lvls 58-80.
The MOP heroic dungeons arent even that difficult by any means compared to the ones the past but they are what we have now.
Post by
Zakkhar
I honestly doubt he is still lvl 78 as of this post or is staying lvl 78.
Where exactly i said he is 78?
If he is still leveling he will use his heirlooms up untill 86 most likely. If he is higher than that there is high probability he already found replacements that are higher ilvl. This discussion is completely irrelevant to him (over 1 month old first post), but its you who decided to dig it up, not me, so dont try to blame it on me.
I dont know why you brought up the 1handed rune forgings because they are weaker than of the ones I said
How exactly are they weaker? Can you do a basic math?
Yes, they add
half
the resource the 2hander runeforge is giving, but thats because you got
two
weapons and
two
runeforges on them. He wont even be using them anyway, if he levels as frost he will most likely use crusader/razorice (crusader is decent as a tanking runeforge, many players using it end game).
Point is you said they dont exist.
above you even agreed with 2 handers being best.
Not regarding the runeforge. On runeforge they are equal, with dual being even further (as you can use one crusader and one tanking enchant for example).
Also the best always exists, but world isnt just black and white. Fact that something isnt the best, doesnt mean its not viable and dual wielding heirlooms with offensive runeforge (crusader/razorice) while blood tanking is completely viable. Its not best, its not optimal, but shouldnt cause many problems as long as the person doing it is aware of its limitations (and the op by asking this question is).
The problem is you are saying its not viable (which i disagree with). The problem you post the reasons for it not being viable which are close to irrelevant and you miss the one thats most important. Way to advocate your cause.
I dont understand the issue of why you need to give him information no one uses anymore and tell me Im clueless. There is not a single Blood DK tank today uses them. I even said you can effectively tank without using the runes from lvls 58-80.
I dont understand why you so eagerly say something that isnt true:
Also
all the tank
runeforging's Rune of the Stoneskin Gargoyle and Rune of Swordshattering
require a 2h
.
and when confronted about it, try to derail it further away.
Doesnt matter who uses them or who doesnt. They are
in game
. They are usable if one sees fit. You cant just say "all tanking runeforges require 2h". Deal with it.
You keep saying till 80 till 80, as you werent aware heirloom weapons scale till 85 btw.
The MOP heroic dungeons arent even that difficult by any means compared to the ones the past but they are what we have now.
Than i dont see the point of this discussion really.
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