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Post by
lankybrit
Hi,
After sampling GW2's Trading Post (AH), I must say that it blows WoW's AH out of the water with one single feature that the AH really needs.
Players being able to put blind Buy Orders up, and Players being able to instantly sell to players who have Buy Orders up.
Here's an example. Lets say that people have listed tons of Ghost Iron Ore at 4g each. Players could say they're willing to buy it at 3g50s and say how much they want to buy. Then, I come on to see some, and can instantly sell for 3g50s or list it for higher if I want.
I'm sure there are lots of players that would find this to be a terrific feature, having listed things and them constantly not selling.
What do you think? And before you say - why don't you post this over on the WoW forums? I can't because I'm banned.
Cheers.
Post by
JPaterson
What do you think? And before you say - why don't you post this over on the WoW forums? I can't because I'm banned.
Cheers.
Lawl.
As a fan of GW2, though, I say no. It works in GW2. It wouldn't work in WoW.
Post by
Adamsm
Technically, you can already do this; send a letter/whisper to the seller, let them know what you are willing to do, and see if they bite.
Post by
lankybrit
Technically, you can already do this; send a letter/whisper to the seller, let them know what you are willing to do, and see if they bite.
It's the 'if' part that is eliminated in GW2 :)
And, I'm thinking more as a seller. I never get any letter/whisper asking if I'll lower my price.
Cheers.
Post by
ElhonnaDS
I think that would be an interesting feature. Not sure how well it would work until I see it live.
Something I'd like to see is a system overhaul where I no longer have to get 1000 auctions out of my mailbox every 2 days in order to get my money, or letters from other people.
EQ2 had a system where I had a storage tab where I could hold 6 bags (EQ2 bags were huge, though- I think I had some with like 40-60 slots each) and you could post whatever fit in those bags. If items stacked, then they'd stack within the bag automatically, so really I never ran out of space. You could search their AH for the lowest price on an item and set yours accordingly, and then you could just leave it in there indefinitely. If it sold, the gold was collected and you could pick it up next time you visited the AH. If it didn't, it sat there until you wanted to pick it up, or change the price, or whatever else you wanted to do. It was freaking convenient.
Also, they didn't have a sell in stacks, or a sell in single pieces option. You put all of the stuff in and it stacked however high, and the AH showed that you have 47 pieces of wood (or whatever) for sale at x price, and someone could buy one of those, or 9, or all of them. So you didn't have pages of AH spam where people posted all single pieces of cloth, but people who only needed one piece could buy it.
Post by
Izichial
EVE has had buy orders since before the
original
Guild Wars game was released. Just sayin'.
Mostly pointing it out because EVE's market is all kinds of amazing, not because I have anything against GW2. Granted, economy is a much more important part of EVE than it is in most MMOs, but still. Buy orders, price history, the ability to select buy and sell orders to use (you can still quick sell and buy items and they'll use the highest and lowest price available respectively, overflowing into the next buy or sell order if the number of items exceeds that order's), useful filters and most importantly it shows me everything that matches the search or selection
instantly
in an easily comprehensible format.
EVE can literally fetch me several billion items in a time matching my latency. WoW forces me to sift through up to several hundred pages of 20 auctions each of items that aren't necessarily what I'm actually looking for that each take several seconds to load because it's auction house is worse at filtering results than whales are at flying.
That said, I'm not sure buy orders would actually work out that well in WoW, mainly because the vast majority of people don't need anything that's tradeable on a regular basis. There aren't any natural supply chains except for a very few rather clunky ones for stuff like inscription and alchemy. There's very little refining of anything and a large amount of existing items are obsolete to nearly the entire population.
Post by
Rankkor
Well El, after tasting the AH of GW2 I can tell you there's plenty of reasons why its so much better than wow's.
Here are a couple of reasons.
One, if you want to buy, as Ian said, you can place buy orders, and players can sell you their items if they're in a hurry to get some cash.
Two, and this one is a biggie: ALL YOUR MONEY IS IN ONE WITHDRAW.
Lets say I put 50 stacks of ghost iron ore in wow's AH, and they all sell. Next day, I open my mail, and have to withdraw 50 different mails to get all my gold.
On GW2: I put 20 stacks of Copper ore, and 3 stacks of Jute, and 4 stacks of wool. they all sell, Next day I open my mail, withdraw all the money at once. From all of my products that sold, there is just one amount of money to withdraw.
Same goes for purchases. In wow, I buy 20 stacks of Embersilk, and have to withdraw them from the mail, one by one.
GW2: I buy 1 weapon, 3 pieces of armor, 2 stacks of ore, 4 stacks of leather, and 1 mini-pet, and just hit one Withdraw key, and boom, all in my inventory at once.
Third reason why its so good: You can PLACE in the AH your items from anywhere in the world. You don't actually have to go to any NPC to do so. You are mining, and your inventory is full? put it all in the AH from anywhere in the world. Of course, to withdraw anything, or to collect your money if it sells, you do have to go to the respective NPC to do so.
I don't generally like many of the features of GW2 (such as their dynamic events replacing quests) but their AH
KICKS SOME MAJOR ASS!
Post by
lonewolfe31705
Rankkorr, to lazy to add quotes everywhere to address it in line, so I am just going to number them as you did.
1. I can do the same thing with my TSM addon.
2. I can do this with Postal addon.
3. That makes no logical sense in the game world. That is like saying I can go to the bank in the middle of a corn field...or the hospital in the middle of the ocean. However, I can always run to the closest mailbox, mail everything to my bank alt, and run him 10 steps to the AH and post.
Also, as Izichial pointed out...Eve has the best economic system in any game I have played. The rest pale in comparison.
Post by
Rankkor
1. I can do the same thing with my TSM
addon
.
2. I can do this with Postal
addon
.
Key-word: Addon. Its not a part of the actual game, that's user-made content. It really should be standard. Just as blizzard has added certain addons to the game (like being able to auto-search an item in your bags) they should address the AH which has remained more or less the same since probably TBC.
3. That makes no logical sense in the game world.
That is like saying I can go to the bank in the middle of a corn field
*Cough*
*Clears Throat*
*Coughs Again*
However, I can always run to the closest mailbox, mail everything to my bank alt, and run him 10 steps to the AH and post.
Overcomplicated. And useless for those who have used all their character slots and thus have no bank alts. (Like little moi). The simplest answer is usually the best one. If we can carry a guild page in our pocket to buy guild stuff, summon mounts out of nowhere, and conjure up a giganticus Yak with 1 repair vendor and one reforger, I'd say being able to magically send our stuff wouldn't be too immersion breaking.
Also, as Izichial pointed out...Eve has the best economic system in any game I have played. The rest pale in comparison.
I haven't played Eve, so I can't really comment on how good/bad its system is.
Post by
felhunter
i disagree with your thread title. WoW doesnt "need" the GW2 AH set up, if anything WoW AH has proven to be efficient enough too keep the public satisfied.
however such feature's you suggest might be a nice addition too expend the AH in WoW upon. but i doubt we gonna see it anytime soon since the current incarnation does the job perfectly fine.
Post by
lonewolfe31705
Where do you think all those nifty ideas in GW2 came from? Copying wow....be it core game or addons made by players. And if you remember, you couldn't used to search bags, or share BoA gear, or any of the stuff that has been added. People suggested it on the OFFICIAL forums, blizz listened...we got it.
*Cough*
*Clears Throat*
*Coughs Again*
All of which takes a nice nifty grind to earn...not just given to everyone.
However, I can always run to the closest mailbox, mail everything to my bank alt, and run him 10 steps to the AH and post.
Overcomplicated my left butt cheek. That has been the system in place since the first MMO came about. If you feel that is to complicated god forbid you try to become someone who likes to make gold and try to figure out the shuffle. Proud "Goblin" since 2008!
But I guess, as it has been said over and over, you give someone $1 million dollars in $5 bills, and they are going to complain it is in $5 bills.
Just my two cents worth. You don't have to agree with me, and you don't have to respond. I think I am going to go wander back to off-topic and pick at Rystrave and Elhonna some more...
Post by
Rankkor
wow, tone down a little bro', I'm just stating an opinion.
Where do you think all those nifty ideas in GW2 came from? Copying wow....be it core game or addons made by players.
I don't really care who copied who. Nothing original is under the sun. What I care is that there are some nice features that have been added by players, and are useful enough/provide nice qualities of life, that they should be baseline in the game.
No more. No less.
People suggested it on the OFFICIAL forums, blizz listened...we got it.
And I agree, but if you read the OP, Ian has been banned from the official forums, and thus can't do it. I've suggested this myself on the forums plenty of times (specially the "take all mail at once" part, its really annoying to pick them all one by one) and time will tell if they one day decide to listen.
All of which takes a nice nifty grind to earn...not just given to everyone.
But we're not discussing if they're easy/hard to obtain. You said "Your proposal to send anything from anywhere doesn't make sense, that's as absurd as me sending something to the bank in the middle of a corn field"
And I refuted with "But we can already send stuff to our banks in the middle of a corn field, why should we go through a grind to do so? this is a nice quality-of-life feature that should be baseline"
Some limitations should exist of course, to WITHDRAW anything from the bank, or mail, you should go to an NPC, or have some sort of lengthy cooldown, but to deposit........ that should be a hell of a lot less restrictive. Specially considering how small our bags have become over the years with all the stuff we gotta carry.
Overcomplicated my left butt cheek.
Step 1: Stop what you are doing and go to a mailbox, which depending on where you are, could take some time.
Step 2: Send your items to an alt, 12 at a time.
Step 3: Log out.
Step 4: Log in with your alt.
Step 5: withdraw your items from the mail, 12 at a time.
Step 6: Go to Auctioneer.
Step 7: List your items for auction.
Step 8: Log off alt.
Step 9: Log back with main.
Step 10: Go back to where you were, and continue doing what you were doing.
PROPOSED ALTERNATIVE
:
Step 1: From where you are, take 30 seconds to right click your gathered items, and post them in the AH.
Step 2: Continue what you were doing.
Which one does looks more complicated and time-consuming?
That has been the system in place since the first MMO came about.
Just because its old, doesn't mean its good. The earliest MMOs that came out had no instances, so bosses were out in the open, and only a select few per realm could kill them, and had a monopoly in them, denying the rest of the playerbase the chance to see, let alone kill, any of these bosses. Wow changed that with instanced content, to give everyone a copy of the same dungeon, and a chance to get loot.
Don't be afraid to change the status Quo. Not when its a quality-of-life that removes the tediousness of the game.
I think I am going to go wander back to off-topic and pick at Rystrave and
Elhonna
some more...
Although she can defend herself quite nicely, pick at El and you pick at me too >_>
Post by
SirPunky
Step 2: Send your items to an alt, 8 at a time.
12 actually, but don't mind me :)
Post by
Rankkor
Step 2: Send your items to an alt, 8 at a time.
12 actually :)
=O hehehe my bad, correcting now.
Post by
Eccentrica
What do you think? And before you say - why don't you post this over on the WoW forums? I can't because I'm banned.
Cheers.
Official Forums are a cesspool, even the 'MVPs' are rude, snarky and frankly unpalatable. What on earth did you of all people do to get banned? You're as rude as a vicar and as controversial as Ivory soap.
On topic, I would L.O.V.E. Buy orders. I'm sure that Scribes and JCs (some of them anyway) would scream with rage at the very idea. At least the ones that control the markets would.
Post by
Rystrave
I think I am going to go wander back to off-topic and pick at Rystrave
I'm just a bump on a log, I don't actually exist.
Post by
Azrile
Buy orders would be a great feature.
However, they encourage monopolies on small servers. No idea on GW2, but one of the things that prevents this on EVE is there are so many players using the same AH, it is hard to create monopolies. But think about a medium server on WOW.
1. Normally ghost ore goes for 40g per stack
2. Player X with a crapload of gold, puts a buy order for 60g for 5000 stacks.
In that one simple step, you now can basically prevent anyone from being able to buy ghost ore at a reasonable price for a long long time.
Same thing with any item. How about the Red Int-cut gem
1. Normally goes for 100g.
2. Player X puts a buy order for 100 of them at 200 gold.
Medium and low servers do not have enough suppliers of these things. On my server, there are probably 10-15 people on my faction that farm ore enough to sell in bulk. There are probably less than a dozen people who keep gems listed.
WOW servers are too small to have a real ´free market´ economy. If we ever had battle-group based AH´s it might work. Or there would have to be serious limits on how many buy orders you can put up.
Post by
Eccentrica
I tend to think that Buy Orders would be of great benefit to buyers and sellers, your argument about monopolies notwithstanding (anyone who is looking for 5,000 stacks of ore is looking for a smaller price not a higher one).
There are a lot of lower level (not cap) mats that end up getting vendored because there is a disconnect between those that may well have them or acquire them, and those that may well want them.
For instance who farms Spiders' Silk? Given the horrible drop rate not may people I would think, but an altoholic may well have a truckload tucked away in a vanity guild somewhere. Posting them on the AH is an exercise in futility because you could spend several days worth of posting fees waiting for that one guy who wants them (and can never find any on the AH) to come along.
However, if that one guy had access to a Buy Order, suddenly we've connected potential buyer with potential seller.
Post by
Azrile
They aren´t trying to get a deal, they are trying to be disruptive and maybe resell later or even at the same time.
1. Put buy order for ghost ore at 60g buying 5000 stacks
2. List ghost ore at 65g per stack.
One player could keep an entire commidity artifically at a high price without even being logged in. That is one of the few saving graces of our AH now (with low amounts of buyers and seller)... Even if someone is intent on trying to buy out the market and relist at a higher price, they have to be online to do it or a second buy might grab cheap stuff.
Post by
Eccentrica
That could easily be remedied with requiring payment upfront. You want to buy 5,000 stacks of ore at 60g a pop, you place your order and it costs you 300,000g to hit the confirm button. That's a bit pricey for someone who simply wants to screw with the market.
On the sellers end, they answer a Buy Order in full or in part, the item gets removed from their bag and they get gold when the hit the confirm button.
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