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Raid ID / Lockout transfering to alt
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Post by
Foficles
Hi, this was probably asked before, but the search keywords required yield too many unrelated results. So excuse if this has already been posted.
What I am trying to do is to get an alt to have a lockout just before the last boss of a raid, which to extend every week so he can pass it to my main, without it progressing on the alt any further.
For example NORMAL Al'Akir.
Here is the formula I have come to consider correct until now, though untested.
1) I should go and kill the Conclave with my alt so that he gets saved to the instance. As I am aware, saving to a lockout doesn't happen on normal until a boss is killed. (If it was HC, things would be different.) At this point I should have the lockout 1/2 saved on this alt. In any case, correct me if I'm wrong and
let me know if it matters who is leader.
2) a)The alt should leave the instance and raid group, b)and then form another raid group with a friend. The alt should go into the raid instance and the friend should follow. At that point, that friend is inside and is facing a 1/2 progress.. a.k.a Conclave is dead.
3)For the alt to retain his 1/2 lockout but to pass it to the MAIN too, he should now give leader to the friend and leave the raid instance and the group, and log out. If I am correct. Whatever happens from here on, the lockout saved on the alt does not progress in any way.
4)The main now logs in, gets invite from the friend, and walks into the raid instance. At this point, the main too is facing a 1/2 lockout.
5) From here on, the main can receive leadership from the friend, and that friend is free to leave. The main can now kill Al'akir and profit :)
6) Next week after the lockout reset, the alt can now extend the 1/2 lockout and start from point 2b.
Is everything above correct? By all means, please try correcting mistakes without making it too confusing :) A rewrite of the above in the correct way would be the best.
I thank you very much for you assistance. Have a good day.
Post by
CalaelenDT
That's a very difficult thinking process you've got going there, while it's actually very simple.
1) Get a 1/2 lockout on your alt by killing Conclave.
2) Invite a friend, have him zone in (you shouldn't need to even enter on your alt). This should "save" him to the 1/2 lockout.
3) Swap to your main, zone in and you're good to go.
Next week, you can do the exact same thing, except you won't have to kill Conclave again!
Post by
Foficles
Hey. Thanks a lot man. That really does simplify the process. Gonna start leveling my alt now :)
Post by
Wombat62
it doesnt work that way ( unless they changed it recently ) --yes it says that the lock is x of y defeated BUT any toon that enters a raid in progress is NOT saved untill they kill another boss.
Have joined a lot of in progress raids and have never been saved to them untill a boss is actually killed while I am a part of the raid
Post by
Izichial
Wouldn't both the "holding char" and the main be saved to the same raid ID, which is and stays cleared when you actually kill all the bosses in it? Making a shortcut for you main with an alt would thus only be valid for completing the clear once - in regards to 6) there wouldn't be a 1/2 save to extend because that was the same one you cleared with your main.
Post by
Foficles
it doesnt work that way ( unless they changed it recently ) --yes it says that the lock is x of y defeated BUT any toon that enters a raid in progress is NOT saved untill they kill another boss.
Have joined a lot of in progress raids and have never been saved to them untill a boss is actually killed while I am a part of the raid
The only character I want to save to anything is the alt to the 1/2 progress. Which he DOES because he is the one to kill the Conclave thus saves to the 1/2 progress. Maybe you missed that :) It's at point 1.
Wouldn't both the "holding char" and the main be saved to the same raid ID, which is and stays cleared when you actually kill all the bosses in it? Making a shortcut for you main with an alt would thus only be valid for completing the clear once - in regards to 6) there wouldn't be a 1/2 save to extend because that was the same one you cleared with your main.
In fact, Izichial, that's exactly why I posted my theory here. I am afraid that at the point I kill Al'akir with my main, the alt's progress will change to 2/2 even though he wasn't in the raid/group/..or even online. But I think they changed this in Cataclysm. Supposedly, progress is now saved per character, not per group. So, when the alt leaves the group, he walks away with a personal save, and what the former group does thereafter is non-consequential to his save. But that's to be discovered. If anyone has done this before, maybe he can give us some feedback.
Post by
Izichial
In fact, Izichial, that's exactly why I posted my theory here. I am afraid that at the point I kill Al'akir with my main, the alt's progress will change to 2/2 even though he wasn't in the raid/group/..or even online. But I think they changed this in Cataclysm. Supposedly, progress is now saved per character, not per group. So, when the alt leaves the group, he walks away with a personal save, and what the former group does thereafter is non-consequential to his save. But that's to be discovered. If anyone has done this before, maybe he can give us some feedback.
I can't speak for MoP, but I had it happen to me on at least two occasions during Cataclysm that someone I knew had a save from a pug that didn't clear the entire instance that I went with to clear it (killing Ragnaros for mount or whatever) only to discover that someone else from that pug had had the same idea earlier, leaving us looking at an entirely cleared instance after zoning in. Haven't heard of any changes in regards to how raid IDs / lockouts work since so I'm assuming this is still what happens.
Edit: This was specifically heroic only raids, refer to CalaelenDT's post below for normals.
Post by
CalaelenDT
@Foficles, ignore all the other posters in this thread. I have no clue why they are responding with all sorts of wild theories even though they obviously don't know what they are talking about, but it's just causing pointless confusion.
If you do what I stated in my first post, you'll be good to go. I have been doing that for Anub'arak in ToC10 for the past 2 weeks, having a 4/5 lockout on my Mage, having a friend zone in so he gets "saved" to 4/5 and than switching to my Warrior to kill Anub. My Mage's lockout is still sitting at 4/5, because I never actually kill the boss on that toon.
To clear up some of the myths in this thread:
- Someone doesn't actually get saved to an instance until they kill a boss, but they will cause the raid instance to remain at the current clear level until the raid is reset, allowing other players to prevent a raid from resetting while you swap toons.
- Specific raid ID's were removed in Cataclysm for normal raids, if your character isn't there for the kill, than he won't get locked out of that boss. Heroic raids DO still have a raid ID however.
So stop worrying and get killing already, you can trust that what I said is accurate and confirmed.
Post by
Foficles
Thanks CalaelenDT. Now I'm perfectly clear on what I have to do. Have a good game all.
Post by
praet0rians
- Specific raid ID's were removed in Cataclysm for normal raids, if your character isn't there for the kill, than he won't get locked out of that boss. Heroic raids DO still have a raid ID however.
So you're saying that if you had a 5/6 H:HoF clear, that you couldn't do this trick to only kill empress every week?
Post by
CalaelenDT
- Specific raid ID's were removed in Cataclysm for normal raids, if your character isn't there for the kill, than he won't get locked out of that boss. Heroic raids DO still have a raid ID however.
So you're saying that if you had a 5/6 H:HoF clear, that you couldn't do this trick to only kill empress every week?
I'm not entirely sure on that tbh. I think you should still be able to do the trick even with a Heroic 5/6 clear, but can't give you a 100% guarantee on it.
I'd say just give it a go and see if you're not going to do anything else with that lockout.
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