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Post by
Rauno
pretty pointless to gear up for MoP considering the ABSURD leap in ilvl from here to there.
Case in point:
Gurthalak, Voice of the Deeps
(Strongest 2handed weapon in the whole damn game atm)
Standard Bearer's War Cudgel
(Quest reward for THE VERY FIRST QUEST on MoP for the horde, you will get this mace literally 5 MINUTES after MoP goes live)
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Im sorry but I think you meant to link
this
instead of
this
The one you linked is from cataclysm and all weapons will have their damage doubled when mop comes.
I don't have beta to confirm this tho, but that is what I have heard.
(If thats the case then its pretty obvious you won't replace your Gurthalak for atleast 2-3levels.)
Post by
Nulgar
On the other hand, the amount they let you stockpile going into Cata was enough to buy one 346 blue when you hit 85. It wasn't a huge advantage.
With 4K at the start of Cata, you could get one 2200 helm/chest/legs item and one 1650 shoulders/hands item, or other combinations (relic, offhand esp. for DW melees) That's pretty fine already.
Of course, I didn't say it'd be a great advantage, but it is an advantage nevertheless ;) Better to save the points now and get a 90 item later, than get a 85 378 now for a few months. Of course, excess points should be spent, and if you play the char anyway, you can even do so in advance, since the points will come back from running dungeons/LFR.
Post by
lankybrit
I thought they converted JPs to gold when Cata hit. Am I remembering wrong?
Cheers.
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Post by
Br0tha
The only reason I'm "gearing up" is to experiment the raid and for transmog.
Someone with ~385+ ilvl might not change their gear when leveling up until level ~90, neither with the green on the first few dungeons, but the blue might be a little better.
I doubt you'll really need it to level.
And unless you are a tank or a healer, you don't really need much gears for the early dungeon.
Post by
Rankkor
The only reason I'm "gearing up" is to experiment the raid and for transmog.
Someone with ~385+ ilvl might not change their gear when
leveling up until level ~90
, neither with the green on the first few dungeons, but the blue might be a little better.
I doubt you'll really need it to level.
And unless you are a tank or a healer, you don't really need much gears for the early dungeon.
Disagree STRONGLY. From WOTLK to cataclysm, I had 10 pieces from ICC 25 Heroic, and 6 pieces from ICC 25 reg. By the time I was in mid-deepholm I had replaced EVERYTHING. (Minus the trinkets, those bloody bastards stayed for a long time, specially Heroic Deathbringer's Will)
The leap on Ilvls is even more bigger on MoP than it was on cata, so even if you have full DS heroic gear, you will still end up replacing it all either in mid-valley of the four winds, or mid-Kunlai Summit. You will NOT get to lvl 90 with Cata gear, not even close. Again except the trinkets. Bloody bastards are HARD to replace. If you have something like Heroic Bone Fetish, that sht is staying with you for a long LONG time. But even if you have Dragon's Wrath, or Fangs of the Father, chances are, by 88 you will discard them.
Post by
Br0tha
Considering the gear of your ~2 first level are 372ilvl and you have your gem on your gear ilvl390-400+.
And I never said they will never change any piece until 90.
I just said someone really geared will not be likely to pick the green gears from quest, but might change it for blue.
Way to overreact.
Gearing yourself WILL help you, especially if you are a tank or a healer, but you won't need it,
Otherwise congrats that you changed everything, but it's not the case for everyone.
Personally I level'ed my rogue from 80 to 85 without doing any dungeons and I still had some of my WOTLK gears. Easily. The new gears wasn't SO much interesting.
Next time, read everything instead of just a part of the post.
OP doesn't have to gears up to quest, since he'll get great gear especially if he don't raid. But no, he might not change all his gears, even more as quickly as you said.
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Post by
irishsnout
I would say, keep an eye on wowhead's MoP database. as it gets updated, you can see how long your gear will last.
I'm trying to get all my alts to 85 with proffessions to 500. The toons I plan on playing first will quest in 390 pvp gear.
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Post by
Rankkor
Considering the gear of your ~2 first level are 372ilvl and you have your gem on your gear ilvl390-400+.
And I never said they will never change any piece until 90.
I just said someone really geared will not be likely to pick the green gears from quest, but might change it for blue.
Way to overreact.
Gearing yourself WILL help you, especially if you are a tank or a healer, but you won't need it,
Otherwise congrats that you changed everything, but it's not the case for everyone.
Personally I level'ed my rogue from 80 to 85 without doing any dungeons and I still had some of my WOTLK gears. Easily. The new gears wasn't SO much interesting.
Next time, read everything instead of just a part of the post.
OP doesn't have to gears up to quest, since he'll get great gear especially if he don't raid. But no, he might not change all his gears, even more as quickly as you said.
well, my guild leader (decked in 7 pieces of Heroic DS and the rest of normal DS) finished Valley of the Four Winds on the beta, and replaced everything she had with greens. Why? because they have better stats, leading to increased performance both on Healing and on DPS (She's a holy/ret pally)
What were you saying about overreacting or reading just parts of the post?
I told you so, greens of MoP have up to double (sometimes TRIPLE) the stats of the best of the best gear on Cata at the moment, and that's not counting blues from reg instances, or blue quest rewards. The only reason one would refuse to replace an epic with a green would be a cosmetic reason and yet thanks to transmog we don't even have to worry about that anymore.
So yes, gearing up for MoP is entirely useless. Takes about a day to finish Jade Forest (if you're geared in full DS gear, normal or heroic, you wont replace much) and about 2 more days to finish Valley of the Four Winds, by which time you WILL replace almost everything you have (again, except Trinkets, those are harder to replace)
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Post by
karatechop
MOP is going to be amazing :D
QFT^^
Post by
Azrile
Considering the gear of your ~2 first level are 372ilvl and you have your gem on your gear ilvl390-400+.
And I never said they will never change any piece until 90.
I just said someone really geared will not be likely to pick the green gears from quest, but might change it for blue.
Way to overreact.
Gearing yourself WILL help you, especially if you are a tank or a healer, but you won't need it,
Otherwise congrats that you changed everything, but it's not the case for everyone.
Personally I level'ed my rogue from 80 to 85 without doing any dungeons and I still had some of my WOTLK gears. Easily. The new gears wasn't SO much interesting.
Next time, read everything instead of just a part of the post.
OP doesn't have to gears up to quest, since he'll get great gear especially if he don't raid. But no, he might not change all his gears, even more as quickly as you said.
well, my guild leader (decked in 7 pieces of Heroic DS and the rest of normal DS) finished Valley of the Four Winds on the beta, and replaced everything she had with greens. Why? because they have better stats, leading to increased performance both on Healing and on DPS (She's a holy/ret pally)
What were you saying about overreacting or reading just parts of the post?
I told you so, greens of MoP have up to double (sometimes TRIPLE) the stats of the best of the best gear on Cata at the moment, and that's not counting blues from reg instances, or blue quest rewards. The only reason one would refuse to replace an epic with a green would be a cosmetic reason and yet thanks to transmog we don't even have to worry about that anymore.
So yes, gearing up for MoP is entirely useless. Takes about a day to finish Jade Forest (if you're geared in full DS gear, normal or heroic, you wont replace much) and about 2 more days to finish Valley of the Four Winds, by which time you WILL replace almost everything you have (again, except Trinkets, those are harder to replace)
I am not sure why he keeps arguing. The fact is that the first zones in MoP are built for players that are about ilvl 333 (which is what most new players will have when they hit 85. The difference having 365 or 378 gear will make is almost nothing. Yes, if you spend weeks grinding valor now, it may last through an additional zone of MoP.. but in reality, the difference in ease of leveling will be nil. The devs are smart... the very first quest in MoP gives you the most important piece of equipement, your weapon.
Look at the past few expansions.. did anyone really have problems questing through HF, BT, Vash or Hyjal the first 20 minjutes? The opening zones are designed for players who have not done any endgame of the previous expansion.
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Post by
ScottCom
Quest gear will replace ALL you gear unless it's endgame epics in which case it will last a few levels (like 1-3). I wish they'd squish the item levels already though, I really want them to!
I was really looking forward to this, too, until I heard that they aren't going to. I guess the mega-elite would whine about how they aren't doing 593k DPS on people with 50hp (facepalm)
Someone said (and I have yet to actually hop in beta to confirm this) there's a Goblin vendor in a newbie zone that sells 372 gear. If that's true, there is literally zero reason to gear a character right now unless you're doing it for the spirit of the raid/guild/HMs for fun.
That's pretty much true at any expansion. Without them leveling the ilvl field there really isn't any point to bothering with the raids unless you're just bored. It's like they took out the urge to have endgame content so that people can facepalm all day long.
Post by
dragonrom
i would agree with a few of the above. the content will be geared for people around 320-330 ilvl aka those that did the final quests in cata or the dungeons. no one will be leveling up and do the heroics unless they really want to for some reason. People at this ilvl will have some difficulty until they replace the gear. plus you can always buy BoEs later on when they are actually available. But gearing up will be useful for making the early questing much easier, it isn't necessary.
Post by
Adamsm
Jade Temple drops 410 Blues; quests give out 378 or so reward items. People will be fine coming into it, and more then likely just like with Cata, people will put up the greens that drop so that people can buy new upgrades.
Post by
Adamsm
Taking pity on ya for once Lanky lol; the Group Finder has Jade Temple set at 358.
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