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Meldoron
It is only frowned upon because it has lower dps than arcane or frost in most fights and overall, it is one of the lowest dps specs in game (currently). The fights it excels at are high movement fights, but even then arcane can still keep up when it is one of the least mobile specs in game.
I, personally, pve as frost because I can't stand arcane and it is still fun to play. I like the visuals of fire, but until 4.3, I'm sticking with frost just because this way I can smear my guild's dps, and it is fun to hear them complain.
Anyway, unless your guild needs an extra 3k dps to down fights then don't go arcane if you don't like it. If you are pulling the numbers then they shouldn't care; besides, fire is getting a buff and may be pulling ahead of arcane in 4.3, so it would be a waste to reforge and regem for a couple weeks and go back to fire.
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Zakkhar
Why do Fire Mages get so much crap for wanting to raid as fire. I love it, I find that fire is so much more fun than spamming one button.
For example I was in a guild run BoT with another mage. We both had on pretty much the same gear. I had two more upgrades than him.(Valor Bracers, t12 hands) Through the whole raid. I was either ahead of him by like 3-4.5k or I blew him out of the water. Killed him on Halfus did like 25k he got like 14k.
Halfus is a gimmick fight and achieving a group goal (aka nuking proper target) usually nets you less dps than spamming halfus and cleaving dots of him.
Know I am wondering why is fire so frowned upon in the raiding scene? I mean being able to cast while moving is great for raiding and cauterize is a great talent to have for any pve scenario.
Because even without being able to cast while moving arcane tops fire damage on non-gimmick fights. Because fire mastery is crap and arcane scales way better with pure intellect.
Should I give up fire as my MS and reforge all my gear to raid with my guild? They are telling me I have to be arcane.
Just wait for 4.3 its coming in 1-2 weeks, fire should be alright (aka top dps spec).
Dont exactly know how would you waste any money for reforging and regemming unless you stack awfull crit as fire.
Post by
iala
to summarise: because a lot of people are dps $%^&*s and don't care that you like your spec, they see it as a personal insult to them that you don't use the highest dps spec possible (same as some see it as a personal insult to themselves if there's other people in the group who can roll on the same gear as them).
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Karlzone
Good choice. I think fire is "better" than arcane because you can be good at it (+a bit luck sometimes :P) and pull ahead of everybody else. That is not the case at arcane since you only spam a button. That means 2 arcane mages do exactly the same thing, and the only thing that makes one better than the other is gear.
EDIT: Btw try frost. It is so awesome to play. (Arcane and fire mix = Not so rngish, big crits, lots of crits, awesome spec) Even tho it's dps is a bit worse than arcane and fire it is definately worth playing.
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Zakkhar
Good choice. I think fire is "better" than arcane because you can be good at it (+a bit luck sometimes :P) and pull ahead of everybody else. That is not the case at arcane since you only spam a button. That means 2 arcane mages do exactly the same thing, and the only thing that makes one better than the other is gear.
Thats typical misconception. Only way you can swing up or down in fire is pure luck (crit rng), with arcane actual timings matter. I'd like to face an arcane mage spamming one button, i actually did a couple of time - apples versus oranges.
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TomatoSauce
I find that fire is so much more fun than spamming one button.
Just spamming Arcane Blast is bad, it'll drain you of your mana, even with Mage Armor. Not every Arcane Mage is like that.
Should I give up fire as my MS and reforge all my gear to raid with my guild? They are telling me I have to be arcane.
Fire will be getting a buff in the Hour of Twilight patch, so whatever you're doing now, prepare to do even more.
Please find a new guild, they sound like d-bags.
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Meldoron
I am doing about 22-26k dps now. Fire is the way to go....until we get nerfed.
Yep, fire is decimating things in both pve and pvp. I pull 22k dps and am getting 40k crits in pvp. Not looking forward to a nerf, but at this rate, I think I need one...
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nickseng
I keep hearing about ignite munching I know what it is, but I don't think that it makes that much of a difference does it?
Fireball hits for 35k (crit)
Pyroblast hits for 40k(crit)
Ignite applied for 14k (16k munched)
now apply that throughout the fight.
Also note that any ignite munch == significantly less powerful combustion.
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