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donnymurph
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They are good for tank healing for the same reason they are good for raid healing.
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Pachuca
Why does everyone say that Discipline is best for tank-healing etc?
Not everyone says that. It's based on personal preference. Discipline is equally capable of being an insane raid-shielding spec or a fantastic tank healing spec.
Discipline has one strong heal on a 8 sec cooldown which is penance
So these are all useless, then?
Divine Aegis
Inspiration
Grace
Pain Suppression
Power Infusion
Improved Flash Heal
Renewed Hope
Other than that we have a shield on a 15 second cooldown, which is mostly absorbed in one or two hits.
If you're talking about ICC25-level boss fights, then yeah our shields are usually eaten in one or two hits. In 5-player heroics, the shields can last for 1-2 pulls. Don't forget that the ~9k of absorption is
not the only reason to shield the tank
.
In between our core abilities we have flash heal or greater heal, which both are probably the weakest heals in game compared to other healers because of the lack of Empowered healing from the holy tree and theyre not mana-efficient either.
In addition to our "core abilities" also have
Prayer of Mending
, which is one of the strongest and mana-efficient heals in the entire game, and also applies Divine Aegis and Inspiration when it crits.
As for mana efficiency...
Rapture
!
Inner Focus
Mental Agility
Mental Strength
Soul Warding
Improved Flash Heal
Glyph of Flash Heal
I actually find tank healing is way more mana-efficient than raid-shielding. Even if I manage to get myself down below 50% mana I can just pop Shadowfiend, or someone could drop Mana Tide Totem, and if all else fails, Hymn of Hope.
What we do have are strong aoe-heals through shield spam, and borrowed time PoH.
Pre-shielding damage is one thing, but once those bubbles are popped, even a hastened PoH will get sniped by Wild Growth or Chain Heal.
So, again.. tank healer?
Yes. Totally.
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jwjsmith
Really, you raid without holy paladins? I wouldn't even step into 10 ICC without one.
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Paolo
Ohai 15% buff!
Tank-healing Fester10 without the buff and wearing 232 gear is a very different animal than tank-healing Fester10 with any amount of zone buff and wearing 251-264 gear.
So yeah, we have the tools to do it if we're either buffed, outgear the encounter, or struggle mightily to keep up. If you're a great disc priest, and are willing to struggle, tank-healing 10s is hella fun. But it's by no means easy.
Not getting into the pally thing. No sir. They're getting scaled back in Cata, that's all I have to say on that one.
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rainkeltoia
Really, you raid without holy paladins? I wouldn't even step into 10 ICC without one.
Then you're dumb. Also a bad healer.
Seriously.... My guild raids 10 mans with myself, a druid and a shaman healing. One of is OS for fights that only require 2. With DA, disc priests are preferred it seems for Saurfang, and all the other mitigation factors put us on par with Holy paladins easily once you look at the logs. Recount is a joke imho as far as healing goes, something like WWS or WOL definitely shows all the healers in a more realistic light than something based entirely on numbers.
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Pachuca
My guild runs both a holy pally and myself (disc priest) as tank healers, with a couple resto shamans, a resto druid, and a couple other priests (mix of disc and holy) filling out the rest of the slots.
I find that a disc priest paired with a holy paladin makes a pretty good combo for tank healing.
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turkey
Why does everyone say that Discipline is best for tank-healing etc?
Some people say that because at the start of WotLK, Blizzard originally designed disc to be a tank healer to rival holy pallies. Up through Ulduar, discipline priests were exceptional tank healers.
Unfortunately, the only disc spell that scales extremely well is PW:S, and once the gear caught up, disc fell way behind pallies rather quickly as tank healers. ICC, however, actually plays perfectly to the strength of PW:S, and bubble-bots are finding themselves indispensable, even if the playstyle has become relatively one dimensional.
Discipline is too slow to raid heal. You can do it of course, when the raiders are good and well geared, but it not really suitable for it. Shield spamming is slow (you have to shield one player at the time), flash healing is slow for the same reason , POH is slow even if you have borrowed time. No powerful renew you can cast.
I strongly encourage you to take a look at the
rankings of disc priests in 25 man heroic ICC
, the current progression content, and maybe rethink the notion that "shield spamming is slow." It's a 9-10k instant cast heal that waits 30 seconds for damage and is spammable as fast as the gcd and Weakened Soul allows.
And it's shooting disc priests output through the roof on many ICC fights, Lich King in particular.
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jwjsmith
Really, you raid without holy paladins? I wouldn't even step into 10 ICC without one.
Then you're dumb. Also a bad healer.
Seriously.... My guild raids 10 mans with myself, a druid and a shaman healing. One of is OS for fights that only require 2. With DA, disc priests are preferred it seems for Saurfang, and all the other mitigation factors put us on par with Holy paladins easily once you look at the logs. Recount is a joke imho as far as healing goes, something like WWS or WOL definitely shows all the healers in a more realistic light than something based entirely on numbers.
Yes, I'm a bad healer. That's why my logs show that I'm one of the better Disc Priests out there, plus I also play a Holy Paladin and this just reinforces how inefficient it is to have a Disc Priest sit on a tank healing them when they could be doing so much more.
Kindly provide your logs where you are ranked in any ICC 10/25 fight. Thanks.
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Izichial
Relevant normal mode anecdotes for viability proof are relevant. Normal modes with the current amount of zone buff stacks running more healers than is strictly necessary is not precisely the best place from which to determine the interchangeability of disc priests and holy paladins for tank healing. "Acceptable on non-progress content" does not equal "good". If you make it work where you're at, great, but it doesn't mean it'll work on heroic LK.
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jwjsmith
^^ pretty much that, holy pallys make it far easier but aren't required like you seem to think they are
Really, you raid without holy paladins? I wouldn't even step into 10 ICC without one.
Then you're dumb. Also a bad healer.
Seriously.... My guild raids 10 mans with myself, a druid and a shaman healing. One of is OS for fights that only require 2. With DA, disc priests are preferred it seems for Saurfang, and all the other mitigation factors put us on par with Holy paladins easily once you look at the logs. Recount is a joke imho as far as healing goes, something like WWS or WOL definitely shows all the healers in a more realistic light than something based entirely on numbers.
Yes, I'm a bad healer. That's why my logs show that I'm one of the better Disc Priests out there, plus I also play a Holy Paladin and this just reinforces how inefficient it is to have a Disc Priest sit on a tank healing them when they could be doing so much more.
Kindly provide your logs where you are ranked in any ICC 10/25 fight. Thanks.
You're a bad healer because you apparently can't deal with not having a Holy Pally. Where you place on healing meters doesn't come into it.
I can deal with it, but I'd rather not, because it makes it much easier on everyone to have one. You're a bad healer if you can't figure that out.
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