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Gearscore vs. Elitist Group
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487639
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Post by
Hyperspacerebel
BUT Gems, enchants, and gear type do affect gear score
No they don't.
GS does not count enchants or gems.
Make sure you've actually used the addon before talking about it.
Post by
146010
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Post by
Hyperspacerebel
It has everything to do with it. The aforementioned cloth wearing mp5 gemmed spirit enchanted warrior could be using ToC-25 pieces, which would give him a high gearscore. If you looked at that number alone to base your judgement off, and decided 'hey this guy is pretty geared', then you're lacking in common sense and judgement.
How does that have
any
bearing on
anything
I've said?
Also, since the addon doesn't check for gems and enchants, you have no idea if that seemingly decent geared guy actually knows what the hell he's doing. It's not super hard to get decently geared up these days, but that doesn't stop hunters from gemming spirit (we had one such hunter app to our guild, so they exist), and it doesn't stop DKs from gemming spellpower. And so on and so on.
How does that have
any
bearing on
anything
I've said?
If you're judging someone based soley off that number gearscore provides for you, then you set yourself up for fail because you didn't think to make sure they weren't failures to begin with.
How does that have
any
bearing on
anything
I've said?
Post by
MasterOutlaw
I think GearScore is the one addon, in the history of WoW addons, that's so harmless and yet it can incite so much seething rage in people.
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146010
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Post by
Adamsm
I think GearScore is the one addon, in the history of WoW addons, that's so harmless and yet it can incite so much seething rage in people.
QFT.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
You're saying it's a way to judge someone's gear level and progression. I'm saying it's a stupid way to judge someone's gear level and progression, because the mod doesn't take their actual gear into account, just the item level.
I hope you realize that you contradicted yourself.
Let me translate you post line by line:
HSR says that GS gives an idea of gear lvl and progression lvl.
Shirash disagrees, because it takes gear lvl into account.
You arguing against a straw man.
I never once said GS should be the sole means of determining if a person will succeed in a raid.
I never once said that gems and enchants aren't important.
I did say,
Gearscore gives an idea of gear level and progression level
.
You admitted -- more than once -- that it does in fact give an idea of gear score, and you have yet to provide any evidence that it does not give an idea of progression.
The fact that you bring up gems, enchants, and whatever else you think of just show that you either do not understand the simple sentence "Gearscore gives an idea of gear level and progression level," or that you do understand it but refuse to acknowledge it.
Why do I keep repeating myself? Because you refuse to stop and think about a single sentence I write. You want to argue a point, then stop setting up stupid straw men and respond to this:
Gearscore gives an idea of gear level and progression level.
I'll tell you right now that you can't. And I'll explain why very slowly and thoroughly, so that maybe if you actually read it, you might actually get it.
What is gear level? It's a combined number taking into account all your gear's ilvls with wieghts according to which pieces have more stats. This is what GS does. So, does GS give one an idea of one's gear level? Yes!
What is progression? It's the amount of content that a player has experienced. Now, since raids are ranked hierarchically, with harder raids dropping higher ilvl gear, then there are necessarily maximum gear lvls that coincide with the raids? Simply put, given a gear lvl of X, one can determine that the person must have done at least up through raids A and B. So, given a GS, one has an idea of a character's progression.
So, going back to the post that you claim had *everything* to do with my argument, where do you see any mention of wearing the correct gear for your spec? Nowhere! Where do you see any mention of gems and enchants? Nowhere! Where do you see any mention of judging a player solely with GS? Nowhere!
So, I am completely correct and justified in saying, "How does that have
any
bearing on
anything
I've said?"
So, in conclusion, I'm just going to assume you didn't understand the terms you were throwing around; and that after a nice long read of my above points, you'll understand them and then see that what I'm saying is actually very simple. If by chance you were just trolling, or ignoring for the sake of ignoring, then just bugger off.
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91278
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Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Simply put, given a gear lvl of X, one can determine that the person
must have done
at least up through raids A and B. So, given a GS, one has an idea of a character's progression.
You can get iLvl232 gear without touching Ulduar hard modes, which are harder -- even if you outgear them -- than ToC (which you also don't have to touch). Kinda ruins your argument, that.
Except you missed the fact that...Ulduar does not matter any more! It's three raiding tiers behind end-game content. Are you so intent on arguing your stupid point that you completely ignored the fact that obviously heroic gear (i.e. EoT gear) is the baseline?
We're talking about end game content... i.e ToGC10, ToGC 25, ICC10, ICC25.
To have a GS of 5200 (an estimate) means you have progressed to doing endgame content.
Post by
91278
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Post by
Hyperspacerebel
"Progressing to" end-game content and "Being geared for" end-game content are not the same thing.
I never said it was.
You really like arguing against straw men, don't you?
Post by
91278
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Post by
Hyperspacerebel
I never said it was.
To have a
GS of 5200
(an estimate) means you have
progressed to
doing endgame content.
If I'm arguing against a straw man, it's because you're setting yourself up as one huge one.
I see no mention of being geared for anything. You're injecting what you want to see into my posts. That's called a straw man.
The only way to have a GS of 5200 (again, that's off the top of my head...I don't recall the actual number) is by doing ICC. So if you see someone with that GS you know they have progressed into ICC, done it, and won loot.
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427323
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Post by
Hyperspacerebel
actually, a gearscore of 5200 means you're in an avg ilvl of ~240. the only gearscore that actually says something abuot progression is 5500+, as that is an avg ilvl of about 250.
I actually meant to type ToC. Point still holds.
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Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Guess what? Gems, enchants, and even gear type are actually not affected by or have any effect on progression.
I stopped reading into HSR's trolling when I saw this line o' rubbish. I expected better from him.
So you're saying that an ilvl200 piece cannot be gemmed with the same gems and enchanted with the same enchants as an ilvl264 piece?
No matter what stage of progression you are, you'll still see the same gems and enchants.
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